{"id":1712,"date":"2020-04-09T02:19:07","date_gmt":"2020-04-08T16:19:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/theonsitemanager.com.au\/news\/?p=1712"},"modified":"2020-04-08T14:11:20","modified_gmt":"2020-04-08T04:11:20","slug":"the-truth-behind-chis-irons","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/theonsitemanager.com.au\/news\/the-truth-behind-chis-irons\/","title":{"rendered":"The truth behind Chis Irons"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p style=\"text-align:left\"> I want to give people some insight as to my reasons for joining Hynes Legal and in particular, why I strongly believe the strata industry needs a mediation offering to help reduce the instance of strata disputes in the Commissioner\u2019s Office and QCAT. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019ll begin with a question I\u2019ve been asked a few times since starting with Hynes in February 2020: why would someone pay you to do something that you previously did for free? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s because of cases like this one. In summary, it\u2019s a dispute heard in the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal about management rights. In total, both sides \u2013 the body corporate and the management rights holder \u2013 incurred nearly $900,000 in costs. Almost a million dollars! Surely a better option is to spend much less than that as an initial outlay to try to resolve or even prevent a dispute? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The context here is that for more than five years I was Queensland\u2019s Commissioner for Body Corporate and Community Management. Fun fact: it is the only body corporate Commissioner role in the world. Other jurisdictions, both in Australia and overseas, offer body corporate (also known as \u2018strata\u2019 or \u2018owners\u2019 corporations\u2019) information, education and dispute resolution services. Yet no other jurisdiction provides these services in the one office and under the leadership of a dedicated Commissioner. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/theonsitemanager.com.au\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1713\" width=\"305\" height=\"305\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theonsitemanager.com.au\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image.png 795w, https:\/\/theonsitemanager.com.au\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/theonsitemanager.com.au\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/theonsitemanager.com.au\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-768x769.png 768w, https:\/\/theonsitemanager.com.au\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-420x421.png 420w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 305px) 100vw, 305px\" \/><figcaption>Professional Mediator: Chris Irons<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Each day in that role gave me a new appreciation for the challenges and rewards of being involved in the strata sector. I spent a lot of time getting out and about, visiting different parts of the State where I quickly learnt that body corporate issues varied by region to region. What is significant in Cairns is different to what\u2019s an issue for bodies corporate on the Gold Coast. I also learnt that while there are many questions and disputes about what legislation says, along with a wealth of published orders and cases to provide guidance, there is also a strong need for a pragmatic approach to resolving issues and meeting educational needs. Particularly where legislation is not clear on things. In summary, I discovered that regardless of your role or perspective, being involved in a body corporate is not easy!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Which leads me to my new role with Hynes as a Strata  Adviser. I felt I had achieved my main goals as Commissioner  and had guided that Office to where it could continue to  provide its excellent services. Yet there was part of me  that was keen to do something more and which went a  step beyond the \u2018normal\u2019 service delivery offering. I was  particularly drawn to the idea that there was a place for  non-legal approaches to sit alongside legal ones in body  corporate issues. Let\u2019s be clear: while I\u2019m not a lawyer,  I know that there will always be a need for legal advice or  proceedings. When people are dealing with contracts,  transactions and decisions worth a lot of money and having  big implications for people\u2019s property, as happens in body<br> corporate world all the time, expert legal advice is essential.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ultimately, Hynes Legal is a law firm and continues to provide  legal services.  But what about the alternatives to legal services? I thought<br> of all the instances I encountered as Commissioner where it  seemed that rather than parties engaging lawyers and seeing  disputes progress past the point of no return, might there  be a way which instead involves education or information?  And not just the recitation of a section number or referral to a  fact sheet, but education and information where there\u2019s value added, containing suggestions for a best practice approach  which might stand a body corporate in good stead into the  future?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> Then there\u2019s alternative dispute resolution in the form of  mediation. I know very well just how heated and intractable  disputes can get in a body corporate context. Sometimes  the dispute snowballs over months or years and in that time,  the parties lose sight of the original issue. Instead, it morphs  into a personality conflict or communication breakdown. While the Commissioner\u2019s Office provides an excellent conciliation service, this service is limited to the types of disputes defined by legislation. There are plenty of disputes which don\u2019t fall into this definition. Disputes involving<br> caretakers, for example, generally require legal proceedings \u2013 an exceedingly costly and time-consuming process for all concerned and one in which, even when a decision is finally handed down, the party which \u2018won\u2019 has still ended up spending a lot of money. Not to mention the sleepless nights and stress along the way. That\u2019s not even considering how<br>the \u2018loser\u2019 might be feeling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> So I started to think that by providing mediation \u2013 a chance for parties in dispute to sit down in a welcoming, safe space and work through their issues under the guidance of someone like me who has a wealth of expertise in body corporate issues \u2013 I could achieve some of that \u2018something<br> more\u2019 I mentioned earlier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> Here\u2019s a case study of the kind of dispute I can mediate and help you to resolve:<br> A caretaker and committee are having issues. It\u2019s been going on for a while. The committee thinks the caretaker isn\u2019t doing their job and point to a few things on the common property they think are lacking maintenance. The caretaker thinks they are doing everything in their contract and that the committee are expecting too much. Over time relations have broken down, communication is poor and the committee is talking about going to QCAT about the contract.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> In actual fact the issues are all about communication and lack of understanding. The committee don\u2019t fully understand the nature of the caretaking contract or the limits of their role as committee members while the caretaker doesn\u2019t appreciate how committees make decisions. Perhaps also there\u2019s a personal issue, where the caretaker and a particular committee member don\u2019t see eye to eye personally.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mediation can assist each side gain a greater understanding of each other\u2019s point of view and then, by the end of the process, a chance to negotiate some outcomes. Those outcomes might be that there only be a single<br> point of contact on the committee, via a nominate type of communication. Or, that the caretaker undertake some basic retraining in certain duties.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In basic terms, here\u2019s how the mediation would work:<br> You come along to a neutral venue or you attend  electronically. I spend time with all of together clarifying the  issues. That\u2019s after I have already gotten some submissions  from you before the mediation. I help you draw up an  agenda of issues to work through. Then, I hold some private<br> sessions with each of you. I check how you are going and if  you think there are any points on which you\u2019d be happy to  negotiate. After that, I bring you back together to continue  that negotiation, using my expertise to reality check your  ideas and test your assumptions about what works and<br> what doesn\u2019t. By the end, we draw up a written agreement  where you each agree to certain things. We sign that on the  day.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> Some key points to bear in mind:<br> \u2022 It\u2019s confidential: I don\u2019t share information discussed  at mediation;<br> \u2022 It\u2019s yours: you own the process, you drive it and it\u2019s  up to you to make it work;<br> \u2022 I\u2019m impartial: I bring my expertise and knowledge to  the process, I test your assumptions, I reality check  and I give some indication of future prospects,  if that\u2019s necessary, but I don\u2019t decide for you and I  don\u2019t arbitrate;<br> \u2022 Costs ideally are shared between the parties: there\u2019s  a better chance that each party would be motivated  to negotiate if they share the cost. Although, it might  also be the case that a committee would consider it reasonable to bear all the costs for the sake of  having the issue resolved that they are dealing with.  And finally, in case you need a reminder of benefits \u2013 bearing<br> in mind the story I talked about at the start of this article \u2013 here it is, in simple terms:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> \u2022 You save money: a relatively small outlay now, as  opposed to hundreds of thousands in Tribunal or  Court; <br> \u2022 You save time: a mediation can be scheduled just  as soon as the parties agree to participate, whereas  other processes might take many weeks,  months or years. Meanwhile, the issues fester;<br> \u2022 You save heartache: disputes are tiring, draining and  stressful, particularly the longer they go. You live with  the dispute all the time. It never goes away. Whereas  mediation can get issues on the table, people talking  and things resolved so that you walk away with that hopefully, well and truly out of your life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m always happy to hear from our strata stakeholders about what\u2019s happening in the sector, as well as what I can  provide. I\u2019ll be, for example, continuing to write articles and  information that I think the sector would benefit from. You  can reach me at chris.irons@hyneslegal.com.au or (07) 3193  0500 to discuss.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I want to give people some insight as to my reasons for joining Hynes Legal and in particular, why I strongly believe the strata industry needs a mediation offering to help reduce the instance of strata disputes in the Commissioner\u2019s Office and QCAT. I\u2019ll begin with a question I\u2019ve been asked a few times since starting with Hynes in February 2020: why would someone pay you to do something that you previously did for free? It\u2019s because of cases like this one. In summary, it\u2019s a dispute heard in the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal about management rights. 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